History of the irish stafford.

THE IRISH STAFFORD ?

Being
that we own Blue Irish Staffords for quite some time now & like
your self’s, we all want to know where they came from. Why are they
called Irish Staffords. We can only give you the history on where they
came from and what dogs what.

Like Ch Psycho / Ch Stormer / The
Flynn lines / Dublin red Lines / CH. Gentleman Jim / Kilwickie Lad / Ch
Pal of Aveth /The Great Geronimo /Doc’s Gr Ch Duke. And that has lead to
more up to date Breeders like the Kaos Kennels / Farmers boys / East
streets Northford / Scratch’s / ect ect /.

Ive
been reading a book written by Shaun Barker Staffordshire Bull Terriers
English & Irish. Who i do believe he was the president &
S.I.B.T.C Founder once. and he quotes. Throughout the years we have
spent the time perfecting, call it molding, a pure-at-heart, natural
working form of Stafford. The breed name was put up with many others at a
committee meeting back in 1990 and was voted in by the vast majority.
Previous to this meeting they were known as OLD TIME STAFFORD’S because
of the pit bull issues, we started to preserve the pure bloodlines of
the Irish Stafford so as it would not get mixed up with any other breed.
To date there are only 372 pure bred and registered Irish Staffords in
the world, yet we see hundreds for sale !. This was written a good few
years ago but i can see what Shaun Barker is getting at. www.sbtfun.com
go on line for Shaun Barkers book.

I was also told by a very good
friend of ours high up in the dog world, its just a Stafford, what do
you mean by that i said. Well you don’t get Welsh Stafford you don’t
get a Scottish Stafford you don’t get a Cornish Stafford you don’t get a
London Stafford, you don’t get a German Stafford ok ok i said i get the
massage. Its Just a plain old Stafford. Blue, White, Red, Brindle, what
ever color it is. Its still a Stafford weather its got long legs or
short legs its still a Stafford !.

Its a bit ironic that the year
2009 the Kennel Club is going to stop Breeding short legged dogs as
they have been told that there type of dogs are have problems !. I
wonder if that applies to the Kennel Club Stafford, as they have been
telling the RSPCA that our type of dog is of Pit Bull Type !. please
dont get me wrong on is this one, as i love all Staffords, its just that
it seems to be one law for one and one for another. So basically the
Staffords are going back to the size that they started of at !.

We
cant tell you what has gone into the Irish Staffordshire lines of
today. As Jo Bloggs down the road might be putting all sorts of mixed up
dogs into the Irish lines, who knows other than the people that are
doing it. If they are saying to you that they are a red nose, Blue nose,
the American Stafford. Well then its definitely not an Irish Stafford /
Old Time Stafford is it. We haven’t got any thing against Pit-Bulls,
Blue nose, Red nose, Am-Staffords ect ect.

Just Do Not Confuse
The Irish Staffordshire / Old Time Stafford with those types of dogs. We
find the Irish Staffordshire Bull Terrier is a wonderful outstanding
breed of dog, with all the characteristics of what a Staffordshire Bull
Terrier should be like, And very proud to own them.

The reason
people think that they are Pit bulls is mainly there size, Just Slightly
Bigger then the average Kennel Club Dog. But back in the day that was
the size of a Staffordshire Bull Terrier. The kennel Club breed them
down in size, mainly for showing.

They are really Bull &
Terriers, again back in the day they was called PIT BULL TERRIERS
because of what they were. They was Breed manly for game fighting in a
PIT, like Bull fighting / Ratting / Badger fighting / ect ect so what is
a Pit Bull then ???. its Just one of them names that go’s with the
Staffordshire Bull Terrier.


The Irish Staffordshire Bull
Terrier is the same as the standard Kennel Club Staffordshire.
Coincidentally the Staffordshire Bull Terrier was officially recognized
in 1935 by the Kennel Club.

The Kennel Club type dog was taken
over to Ireland for Breeders wishing to produce a taller and more gamer
type of dog, (Of which we know of to day ). They imported a dog or bitch
for a newer bloodline.

Although many strains of Stafford have
been put over the English Bull Terrier over a period time. Others have
kept to the Original type and continue to be bred along the correct
lines. In particular the Irish strains have kept to the old ideals. The
type of Stafford that was created was a taller, fitter slender dog than
the English Kennel Club Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

The Irish
Staffordshire Bull Terriers are also shown in dog shows all over the
country apart from the Kennel Club shows like Cruffs.

What we
have been seeing lately is Kennel Club Staffordshire Bull Terrier Blue
dogs & bitch’s that are between 19” inch to 21” / 22” in Height,
When really they are between 13” Height to 16” inch in Height. So those
of you that own a Kennel Club dog can you honestly say that you know
what lines are in your dog then ?.

What with all this back street
breeding that’s going on. I was reading one ad on the free ads Pick
& Mix Stafford’s for sale any colour & Any size what do they
thing they are a shopping Center !. Shame its not buy one get one free
LOL.

So who’s mixing the lines up then !, and deceiving the
public and charging up to £800.00 to a £1000.00. Well that’s all good
and well if its a genuine Kennel Club Stafford. Just lately we’ve been
getting phone call’s on advice about the Kennel Club dog that is getting
very long legs, with a slight pointed face and is all ready 14” inch
high at 4 months old LOL. Well what do you think ?. Any way lets get
back to what I was saying and stop bitching.

In the early 19th
century a Blue variety was produced, Witch was known as The Blue Paul
from Scotland. There was a Scottish Bull Terrier that is now Extinct by
the way. ( Click Here for History on the Blues ) The Irish Blue variety
(Blue Bullet line) was started by M. A. Smith and C. Smith, from a dog
acquired in the Black Country.

pitguy wrote:there was lots of good info in the posts that were deleted.info on dogs that started the irish lines and when they came here shouldnt of been deleted like that

YENALED wrote:I am very interested in the history of all breeds.... I have been doing a bit of research and the 3 dogs that keep cropping up are Gentleman Jim, the brindle devil and Bankhead bullfighter. Can any of you history heads confirm that these 3 dogs are indeed the foundation of the Irish Stafford stock of today and are the dublin Reds the first staffords recorded in Ire.

RickyB wrote:The First two dogs you mentioned are top show dogs, "Gentleman Jim" is a English bred owned and the first Show Champion of the breed...
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=363632

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=391028

"Brindle Devil" was well known..and behind most of the dogs that later ware called Dublin Red Strain....

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=366243

tanya83 wrote:jules back in the 40's/ 50's ( i think) there where K.C reg'd staffords down off the ones you mentioned brought over from england the men who where involed with these dogs put them to work and bred them for there working ability and " GAMENESS " they where not bred for certin physical characteristics like show dogs if they proved to be good workin dogs they where bred off , because of these breeding practices the dogs here remained like the original staffords where as the show dogs started to change .
the lines such as "dublin reds" , "psycho" and norford are what became of them dogs that where first brought over .

Harry wrote:Also, if you're on FaceBook, add Barbie Vaughn as a friend, she has built up a great collection of old photos, some aren't labelled right but the Staffs are nearly all fixed now.